Topicul asta o sa-l fac si in engleza pentru ca as ajuta multi straini prin sfaturile pe care le voi da aici. Am citit foarte multe despre sevrajul dat de opioide dar niciodata nu am gasit ceva ce sa taie pe deplin sevrajul. Mai ales sevrajul de la tramadol, nimeni nu a postat metoda corecta pentru a trece peste acest sevraj puternic. In general sevrajul de la opioide se trateaza cu ibuprofen si ceva sedative, si functioneaza aproape la capacitate maxima. Cateva simptome nu sunt diminuate complet dar sunt suportabile. Practic primele trei zile sunt cele mai grele, in cazuri severe sunt aproape insuportabile si consumatorul se reapuca de viciul initial. Sa nu uitam ca tramadolul nu este un opioid simplu, este un antidepresiv SSRI si un opioid cu actiune de intensitate medie. Cand te lasi, corpul nu iti cere numai proprietatile opiumului ci si proprietatile antidepresivului. E un sevraj foarte complex si greu de suportat, pe langa toate astea afecteaza si noradrenalina. Aici nu ma prea pricep, stiu multe chestii despre medicamente si droguri dar la noradrenalina nu ma stiu. E un drog 3 in 1 si disperarea cere toate proprietatile, nu numai una. Asa ca, atunci cand vrei sa te lasi nu poti gasi usor substituente. Cea mai mare greseala pe care o fac consumatorii atunci cand se lasa e ca incep sa ia stimulente, pentru ca organismul lor incearca sa isi gaseasca o linie de baza unde sa ajunga, asa ca sunt lipsiti de energie si de viata. In concluzie Cola, energizantele si cafeaua trebuie excluse din regimul alimentar cateva zile. Nu sunt geniu, nu sunt student la medicina, nu sunt doctor dar stiu un lucru. Diazepamul in combinatie cu Lavanda taie complet orice simptom de sevraj al tramadolului, defapt mai bine zis mascheaza toate simptomele de la toate opioidele daca sunt consumate doze corespunzatoare.Indiferent cine esti, de unde esti, si de ce te-ai apucat de droguri sa nu uiti ca exista o scapare tot timpul. Eu de exemplu cu 5 mg de Diazepam la 7 ore, si un ceai de lavanda inainte de culcare am scapat foarte usor. Pot sa zic, ca singura parte nasoala e ca mi-e somn aproape tot timpul din cauza Diazepamului. Dar nu pot sa zic, ca e aceiasi lipsa de energie ca de la sevraj. In mod normal mi-ar veni sa ma spanzur de bec si sa termin cu toate, dar acum simt nevoia continua de a ma odihni. Crede-ma, daca vrei sa te lasi de tramadol fa cum iti spun eu si nu o sa regreti. Sunt constient ca sunt acolo, undeva, o gramada de oameni care vor sa se lase si nu reusesc. E un iad pur, mai ales daca ajungi sa depasesti 400 mg, ai nevoie de o singura zi in care sa depasesti 400 mg ca sa regreti toata viata decizia de a lua mai mult ca de obicei. Eu unul nu am depasit 400 de mg, dar sunt sigur ca o doza mai mare de diazepam ajuta chiar daca ai luat peste 400 mg.
Deja sunt in a 4-a zi, n-am apucat sa scriu mai mult pentru ca m-a luat somnul. Nu de mult am ajuns de la lucru, mi-am desfacut o bere si mi-am pus sub limba 10 mg de Diazepam. In seara asta il folosesc putin in scop recreational, un Heineken cu un Diazepam nu suna tocmai rau, nu? Nu o sa experimentez tocmai un high, dar o sa experimentez o relaxare destul de intensa. Dupa o zi de munca, trebuie sa ma relaxez si eu cumva. Azi nu am luat nici macar o firmitura de Diazepam si m-am simtit excelent, fara niciun simptom de sevraj. Chiar am inceput sa beau stimulente, multe stimulente, practic multa cafea. Beau multa cafea si nu ma simt rau, asta e semnul clar ca Diazepamul a tratat sevrajul, nu numai a mascat simptomele. Traducerea o s-o fac maine, adica in ziua a 5-a, ca momentan vreau sa ma relaxez. Pace. Nu stiu engleza tocmai de nota 10, dar o stiu destul de bine si sper sa inteleaga toata lumea.(Traducerea in Engleza a fost adaptata ca sa inteleaga toata lumea, nu am putut traduce mot a mot)
This thread will be translated into English too because I would help lots of people over the seas with my advices written down here. I’ve been reading very much about opiate withdrawal but I never found something that will mask completely the withdrawal symptoms. Especially the withdrawal from Tramadol, nobody posted the correct method to get rid of this hardcore withdrawal. Especially, the opiate withdrawal can be treated with Ibuprofen and some sedatives, and it’s working allmost at full capacity. A few of the sympthoms are not „melted” completely but they are ok. Practically the first three days are the hardest, in severe cases they are impossible to bear and the user gets back to the initial vice. Don’t forget that trammy is not an simple opiate, it’s an SSRI antidepressant and an opiate with medium intensity action. When you stop taking it, your body is not asking just for the opiate proprieties, it’s asking for the antidepressant proprieties too. It’s a very complex withdrawal and hard to bear, and it’s affecting the norepinephrine too. This is not my domain, I know lots of things about drugs but norepinephrine is not my domain. It’s a three in one drug, and the body craves for all proprieties. So, when you want to quit you can’t get very easy the subtituts. The biggest mistake users make is that they start taking stimulents, because their body tries to find a baseline where to get, so they are deprived of energy. In conclusion, Coca-Cola, energy drinks and cofee must be excluded from the daily diet a few days. I’m not a genius, I’m not a medicine student, I’m not a doctor, but I know this. Valium combined with Lavander masks completely all symptoms of Tramadol withdrawal, actually it masks all opiates withdrawal if you use the correct dose. No matter who your are, where are you from, or why you got into drugs don’t forget that there is a way out. Me, for example I use 5 mg of Valium every 7 hours and a Lavander tea before bed and I’m perfectly normal. The negative part is that I’m sleepy all the time because of the Valium. But it’s not the same lack of energy like from the opiate withdrawal. Normally I would hang over the bulb to get over with alll, but now I feel the continue need to rest. Trust me, if you want to quit Tramadol, do as I say and you won’t regret it. I’m, aware that somewhere, out there are people that want to quit and they cant. It’s pure hell, especially if you get to take over 400 mg, you need just a single day to overcome 400 mg and you will regret your all life the decision to take more than usual. Fortunately, I didn’t got above 400 mg, but I’m sure that a higher dose of Valium can help even you took over 400 mg.
I’m already in day 4, I didn’t get to wrote more because I got sleeepy. I just came from work, I grab up a beer and I took 10 mg of Valium sublingually. Tonight I will use it in recreationally purpose, an Heineken with an Valium does not sounds really bad, no? I won’t feel a real high, but I will feel an intense state of relaxation. After a day of work I got to relax somehow. Today I didn’t get any Valium and I felt excelent, without opiate withdrawal. I even started to take stimulents, lots of stimulents, in my case I drink alot of cofee. I drink hazardous ammounts of cofee and I don’t feel bad, that is the sign that Valium treated the withdrawal, not masked it. I did the translate in day 5 of withdrawal, because yesterday I chilled out.Peace, I don’t know English perfect but I know it pretty well, and I hope that everybody understands what I’m trying to say.
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